Showing posts with label China Olympic's. Show all posts
Showing posts with label China Olympic's. Show all posts

Tuesday, April 22, 2008

China Needs To Pull Stick Out of Its Ass, and Keep Its Nose Out of USA and France Governmental Decision

China is whining like a spoiled child, expressing it's anger that the USA welcomed the Dalai Lama and that France made this reknowned and blessed spiritual leader a Honorary Citizen of France. Who cares? China needs to learn that the world can very easily SHUN THEM for their child like antics, their political temper tantrum on the world stage. If the IOC had any backbone what so ever, the time has come to CANCEL the 2008 Beijing Olympic Shame Games, as China has shown its true colors, shown the world they cannot be trusted, that they are not ready to be a major player on the world stage.

China condemns Paris honor to Dalai Lama


BEIJING (Reuters) - China condemned on Tuesday Paris's decision to make the Dalai Lama an honorary citizen, warning that the gesture had damaged ties with France just as both nations were seeking to ease bad blood over protests.


Relations between France and China were strained by Tibet protests that disrupted the passage of the Beijing Olympic Games torch through Paris earlier this month.


Angry Chinese citizens have responded by urging boycotts of French goods and companies, especially the retailer Carrefour.


Rally precedes Olympic torch run in Indonesia









JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — Torch bearers ran laps with the Olympic flame in front of an invitation-only crowd Tuesday after Indonesia barred the public from witnessing the relay at a stadium amid pressure from China.

Police arrested several demonstrators rallying outside the gates and seized Tibetan flags and banners in a further stain to a global run that Beijing had hoped would drum up support for the August Games.


Criticism of China's human rights record has turned this year's event into one of the most contentious in recent history. Protests against the government's deadly crackdown on rioters in Tibet has dogged stops in Greece, Paris, London and San Francisco.


Many countries across Asia responded by sharply modifying routes and boosting security, with water cannons and 3,000 police officers deployed in the Indonesian capital Tuesday. A handful of torch bearers — most recently in Australia and South Korea — have also announced plans to boycott the relay.


The staged event in Jakarta was not televised live, apparently because no station was prepared to pay for the rights.










US Undersecretary of State meets with Dalai Lama
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US Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky met with the Dalai Lama in US Monday despite China's calls on the US for no-support for any separatist activities staged by the Dalai clique.


There is no news conference or news release following the 30-minute meeting, said a US media relations officer.


The Chinese foreign ministry has repeatedly said it is firmly opposed to the Dalai Lama visiting any country in any identity to engage in secessionist activities, and is opposed to any country having any official contacts with the Dalai Lama. The Lhasa riots on March 14 again revealed that the Dalai Lama is not really a religious person, but a political refugee engaged in the activities of splitting China and destroying national unity under the cover of religion and the camouflage of peace, foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said last month.


Hundreds of Chinese Americans and Chinese nationals working or studying in the United States gathered in the northeastern state of Michigan Sunday to protest against the crime and violence wire-pulled by the Dalai clique and voiced support for the upcoming Beijing Olympics.


The protest, organized by the Chinese students studying at the University of Michigan and the State University of Michigan, was held outside the Ann Arbor stadium where the Dalai Lama was delivering a speech.


The protesters, from teenagers to the grey-haired, all chanted "One World, One Dream" and "Olympics go," while wielding such slogans as "Politics off Olympics, we want sport" and "We seek peace."


Demonstrations against Tibet separatists' attempts to sabotage China's sovereignty and the forthcoming Beijing Olympics have been held in a series of US cities as the Dalai Lama was touring this North American country.


(Xinhua News Agency April 22, 2008)

Sunday, April 20, 2008

Are China's Out of Control Netizens and Protesters the Next Radical Fundamentalist?

Watching various online news sources, watching the swelling Nationalism turning into a brush fire amoung China's younger set, feel like I am watching, "Chinese Gone Wild" without the titties being flashed. Their seething anger over what they consider affronts by the world lead me to ponder, are these over zealous rabid pro Chinese neaderthals the new up and coming replacement on world wide terrorist watch lists that normally track radical Islamic Fundamentalist groups such as al-Quida? Is China really nothing more than Iran on steriods? It is amazing that so much energy has been expended on outrage over Jack Cafferty's honest opinion, backed up by some serious facts. China (their government) has a LOT OF GOONS in it as is witnessed by a You Tube video on this site showing Chinese border guards shooting Tibetans in the back. In the past year here in America the evening news on an almost daily basis was filled with stories about another recall of problematic Chinese products, therefore making the JUNK comment accurate. Instead of accepting this basic truth, the youth of China have decided to BRING US TO OUR KNEES, calling for boycotts of the UK, France, America, CNN, the BCC and of course Carrefour.

Here is a clue for these hooligan youths...you, and your country are not near as high and mighty as you think you are. As one example, lets say that the UK, France and America all stopped sending rice, wheat and milk to China for a period of say six months. Just for the fun of it, let America (China's biggest trading partner) slap a 50 percent tariff on everything coming into America...there goes your pricing advantage. The one thing people need to know about America is we are slow to anger, but once you REALLY PISS US OFF, we tend to lash out in a vicious manner, and are not known for losing fights when pissed off. Remember, we are the only country in the world that has used THE BOMB, and if you are foolish enough to think we would not use it again, you are very wrong.

There are ways of dealing with a bully once people have had enough. China cannot afford to have key players stop their food shipments into China, and cannot afford to suddenly have wholesale orders of their goods drop to near zero...as fast as your economy has grown, it can be destroyed JUST AS EASILY. So, stop your whining, and try listening to other's truths.

Fresh anti-Western protests rock China

Posted 50 minutes ago

Fresh anti-Western protests have broken out in China, with angry demonstrators targeting US broadcaster CNN and French store Carrefour in rows over perceived bias, Tibet and the Beijing Olympics.

Protesters in Xian, Harbin and Jinan defied a huge police crackdown to chant slogans and hold banners that read "Oppose Tibet independence," "Oppose CNN's anti-China statements" and "Boycott Carrefour," a participant said.

"This was a patriotic movement, people want CNN and Carrefour to apologise," a protester at a Carrefour store in the northern city of Xian, Wang Zheng said.

"We oppose Tibetan and Taiwan independence and we also oppose the politicalisation of the Olympic Games."

As demonstrations continued, France said it was sending two envoys with messages from President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has been unpopular over his threat to boycott the Olympics opening ceremony.

Former prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin arrives on Wednesday while the President's top diplomatic adviser, Jean-David Levitte, is due to fly in next weekend.

Anti-French feeling was fanned by Paris's chaotic leg of the Olympic torch relay, while Carrefour's 122 supermarkets in China have been subject to boycotts over its alleged support of Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, which it denies.

Protesters are also lashing out at the CNN TV network over its commentator Jack Cafferty, who caused outrage last week when he called the Beijing leadership "goons and thugs" and slammed the quality of Chinese exports.

According to the official Xinhua news agency, more than 1,000 people assembled in front of the Carrefour store in Xian, while demonstrations also occurred at stores in the north-eastern city of Harbin and Jinan in the east.

The protests follow noisy anti-China demonstrations in London, Paris and San Francisco that have marred the international Beijing Olympic torch relay, an event aimed at promoting this year's Games.

- AFP


Saturday, April 19, 2008

China Does Not Get It...They Are Proving They Are Not Ready For The World Stage

The Sleeping Dragon has Awakened, and Appears to Be Stupid.
The Chinese were planning on the Olympic Torch (now Flame of Shame) Relay being their coming out party on the World Stage, thought the entire world would fall to our knees in joy, accepting them and their Communist dictums with open arms. They failed to realize the world would hold them accountable for their Human Rights abuses, take them (government) to task for being a bunch of dishonest, thieving, brutish thugs trying to reign supreme in the world as the next new Super Power. Using slave labor, ruling with an iron fist hidden in a velvet glove, the China of today is the same China the world has not trusted for decades, perhaps centuries. This is part of why the Olympic Torch Relay has turned into a nightmare, a public relations fiasco of the worst kind as ever increasing numbers of police and military personnel are being called upon to stop the world from snuffing out a flame that should never have been lit, creating a Kodak moment that China and the IOC cannot run away from.

Even if these over whelming uses of brut force are successful in keeping the torch from being extinguished again, it is too late. Both China and the IOC have lost face in the eyes of the world, have been shamed on the world stage…it would be best, and perhaps safer if China were to simply CANCEL the Olympics, rather than risk a horrid event similar to the 1972 Munich Olympics Massacre. The flame is and should be under attack, and sadly when the Olympics are opened, there is a high likelihood they will also be under attack by millions of people who’s families have been harmed by this hard line Communist Nation…China’s moment in the sun their opportunity to even the score. With each stop along the route, both sides are growing more bitter, angrier and frustrated, and that is a recipe for trouble, creates opportunity for words and signs to become bullets and bombs. China is too proud to admit it, but the Torch Relay has shown the world they are NOT READY for primetime, do not have the class, nor the wisdom to hold an event of this magnitude in a way that does not offend the rest of the world.

Reading the Chinese Government Propaganda, the hate speech of China’s netizen’s it is obvious that China is frustrated at their own inability to control their affairs, unable to dictate to the world that we will be happy for them, cooperate and rejoice in their dream. It’s almost sad to watch Jiang Yu embarrass herself, her nation with her hall monitor scolding of the world, trying to chide us into proper behavior like errant children. She needs to get a clue…you do not scold westerners, we have not been raised in a nation where citizens are imprisoned for questioning the government and its authority, we believe in Freedom of Speech, and China does not really understand this as was witnessed by their over reaction to Jack Cafferty’s honest, albeit distasteful remarks…as they say, the truth hurts, and Jack spoke the truth. In China, the worst thing in the world is losing face, and the entire nation HAS LOST FACE, will continue to lose face if their nation keeps traveling the Olympic Road in the fashion they have chosen for themselves so far.

Hu Xingdou, a political analyst at the Beijing Institute of technology was quoted as saying, “All that has happened is a kind of humiliation”, and “The government never expected this.” What did he and the government expect? Were they really so foolish as to believe their civil rights abuses would simply be ignored? You do not evict people out of their homes, bulldoze down their houses just so you can host an Olympics, but China did! You do not destroy the Tibetan culture; refuse a people their freedom without the world revolting against your wrongs. You do not trot out Jiang Yu to deliver veiled threats to other nations if they DO NOT CONTROL THEIR PEOPLE, DO NOT PROTECT YOUR TORCH. You do not threaten CNN when one of their newscasters speaks his mind, you do not have your citizens threatening boycotts of French companies because their citizens protested your human rights abuses without paying a high price…of course the Flame of Shame is a humiliation to China as it very well should be. You have marched out onto the world stage with a national sense of entitlement you quite frankly HAVE NOT EARNED.

Perhaps China’s naiveté was best expressed in an article written by China’s diplomat to the UK, Fu Ying who stated, “On the complicated question of religion mixing with politics, separation is unacceptable. But people are well-fed, well-clothed and well-housed. That has been the main objective of China for centuries. Tibet may not grow into an industrial place like the eastern cities in China, but it will move on like other parts of China.” It is rather sad that an educated woman has been so brain washed by the indoctrination process that is China that she cannot see the stupidity of her own belief contained in her words. China’s gifts/bribes of food, clothing and shelter mean nothing if the Tibetan people cannot be free, mean nothing if in your quest to move on you are willing to destroy that very culture that makes Tibet and its people what and who they are. Without freedom, that rest is of no importance, as you are still slaves to a demeaning and demanding master.

Shen Dingli a supposed scholar at the Fudan University in Shanghai expresses an intellectual shallowness when he ponders, “Why can't those rich countries do a better job than India does?" Because our leaders realize you cannot beat a people into submission, cannot get us to obey laws through the use of overwhelming force, and most importantly, in using that overwhelming force against our citizens, we would become China, and that is unacceptable. What good is a showed if it is staged and fake, what good are applause if gotten at the business end of a gun, coerced with threats of torture and abuse? Furthermore, there is a certain wisdom in that old adage that if you love something you must let it go, set it free and if it comes back it is yours. A slightly different way of looking at things is to remember the story in the Bible about the prodigal son. China sees Tibet almost as the errant child but is unwilling to let it go…perhaps wisdom dictates that errant child must be allowed the freedom to go off on their own, make their own mistakes, and come back to the fold OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING, and it that return will be great celebration for China.

China’s goal, its hopes were that the Summer Game would showcase to the world what China had accomplished, how much they had changed. It was to be their chance to show off, witnessed by what is scheduled to be the most expensive Olympic Games in the history of the world, and instead everything is spinning out of control as Tibet supporters loudly take center stage. The world spotlight is not shining down on Beijing’s stunning skyline, their spectacular skyscrapers and the best Olympic facilities that money could buy. China is angry, China is shamed, but most importantly, China is hurt as hooligans interfere with China’s rise, stagger even halt their forward progress as one of the major players in world politics.

Out of stubbornness, out of pride the Torch Relay must and will go on as China INSISTS ON IT, growing more difficult with each and every step. Surely the BOCOG and the IOC are holding their collective breath as the torch gets closer to landing in Australia where Chinese Nationalism could come crashing into Tibetan Pride with real potential for riots in the offing. Already the chartered jetliner meant to be a symbol of pride is being landed in tucked away militarily controlled areas instead of there being lavish media coverage as the torch jets from on location to another the parade of nations a laughable sideshow, the freaks when the circus comes to town. It is not going to be any different in Canberra, and the government there knows it, would probably beg out of hosting the Torch if China would not take such great offense and umbrage at such an act of what they would see as disrespect.

The sad news and the good news all rolled into one, is that China’s fate is in its own hands. They could still have the great fan fare they want, could still WOW the world with the greatest Olympics the world has ever seen. Problem is, have they grown enough to cut lose the apron strings and let both Tibet and Taiwan go? Nothing could earn China more respect around the world than for them to give the people of these two lands their freedom, and in that single act China will gain what it seeks more than any other….acceptance for the great nation they have the ability to be.

Jiang Yu, Chinese Ice Queen Puts Forth FAKE OFFER of Negotiating With Dalai Lama...What a Bitch

In another propaganda piece meant to fool the world into thinking China is all sweet and wonderful, and ready to stop abusing human beings, the Ice Queen, Jiang Yu (affectionately known as the frigid bitch by some of us) put out a statement offering to negotiate with the Dalai Lama...for starters, she did not even had the DECENCY to use his full name. Secondly, the trick is in the details...she acts like China is the agrieved party...perhaps she should watch the You Tube video of her soldiers shooting Tibetans IN THE BACK! First stumbling block...she has no interest in meeting with the Dalia Lama unless he gives up his FOOLISH desire to have a Free Tibet...you know, the once conquered by China always conquered by China routine. Perhaps with the situation in Tibet, coupled with the problem with China wanting to wrongfully hold on to Taiwan it would just be easier for America to drop a few dozen nukes in the Beijing area and then offer to open up negotiations...that seems to be the way Jiang Yu wants to negotiate, and what is fair for the goose should be fair for the gander. (Is that politically incorrect? Did I offend China with my blunt opinion?)

FM spokeswoman: Dalai must show sincerity for talks through concrete action


GOV.cnThursday, April 17, 2008

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said on Thursday that "the door is open for dialogue between the Central Government and Dalai on condition that he shows sincerity for talks through concrete action."


Jiang told a press conference that the Central Government has held great sincerity and patience for contacts and talks with the Dalai side, who has never given positive and comprehensive response to the Central Government.


"We have repeated that as long as Dalai gives up activities of separating the motherland, disrupting the Beijing Olympic Games and inciting violent sabotage, we are willing to continue contacts and talks with him," said Jiang.






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Breaking News...Has China Blocked CNN Access in China

In breaking news, rumor has it out on the net that China has taken the bold step of blocking CNN's signals in China...true or not, not sure, we'll just have to wait and see. China is pretty insecure if their citizens and Government freak out over Jack Cafferty's comments...talk about balless wonders! What's next Jiang Yu, going to send one of your Kung Fu girls over to my house to kick my laptop? Going to send your Lady Boys from Anti CNN after me, are they going to attack my blog? shaking head...you folks are truly pathetic.

Friday, April 18, 2008

Chinese Lady Boy Hackers Trying To Oranize CNN Computer Crash

Seems that the Chinese Lady Boys over at the Anti CNN site are trying to strike out at CNN and organize other protests in their bitter frustration over China's failing Olympic Torch Relay now known world wide as the Flame of Shame...they tried to call off the protest when they realize they were not INTELLIGENT or MAN ENOUGH to pull it off. The Chinese Government is trying to help them out by getting them more hard drive and RAM.

Know the Enemy:
Chinese hackers poised for anti CNN attack on April 19
Chinese hacker groups calling for a DDOS attack on CNN.




Carl Jongsma 18/04/2008 10:34:02



Chinese hackers appear to be readying for an attack on the West scheduled for April 19. It appears the basis of the attack is based on the recent, and very public, pro Tibet coverage in Western media organizations.


A Chinese site called Anti-CNN is setting out to counteract what it claims are the lies and distortion present in Western news coverage of stories concerning China and Chinese national interests. It is calling for street protests in Germany, France, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom on the 19th of April (Beijing local time).


BREAKING: Upcoming Chinese hacker attack on CNN building steam



Published by Heike at 6:25 pm under Nationalism, Tibet, US attacks



UPDATE: It looks like the organizers might be trying to put a stop to the attack due to the number of people who are aware of it. Translating some of it now.
UPDATE to UPDATE While the group may be trying to call off the attack, it might be too late. CNN is now reporting that they have been targeted in an attempt to disrupt their web site.
FINAL UPDATE FOR THIS POST: See the newest release by the group planning attack on CNN here



First, I have added a clock with the Beijing local time because it crossed my mind that some people might be thinking the scheduled attack on CNN is going to take place on US date, time. Nope, Beijing local. So that means it is suppose to take place tomorrow. I will leave the clock up if you want to check back.


Second, many more Chinese sites, not just hacker, starting to call for the DDOS attack on CNN. Also they are starting to solidify their plans. Here are the details from one posting on the Guilin University of Electronic Technology bulletin board:




  1. Attack will start on 19 April 2008, at 8:00 pm
  2. DDOS attack on www.cnn.com
  3. The DDOS attack is going to last over three hours
  4. They need a large number of compromised computers to carry out the attack and are requesting everyone’s support in putting to together the number needed

The plan has many more details but unfortunately the language is too technical for me to translate.


Here are additional sites calling for the attack on CNN.


http://bbs.neteasy.cn/showthread.php?p=984976
http://www.coogo.net/bbs/showtopic-444648.aspx
http://www.ytjt.com.cn/bbs/redirect.php?tid=36644&goto=lastpost
http://www.ipark.cn/bbs/Post.asp?PostID=836336
http://blog.xuite.net/lemon_head/simple/16728332
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=357748876


BREAKING: Anti-CNN’s call for European protests spreading online
BREAKING: CNN possible target of Chinese hacker attack on 19 April
What?: Beijing police supplied eggs to protesters during anti-Japanese demonstrations



Published by Heike at 6:35 pm under Hackers Talking, Nationalism, Tibet, US attacks



Anti-CNN has issued a call for the Chinese flag to wave over Europe on 19 April 2008. The call was issued to show opposition to Europe’s stance on the Tibet issue. Anti-CNN has called for all overseas Chinese in Germany, France, England and Holland to appear in a simultaneous protest. Overseas Chinese were asked to have their voices penetrate the European sky. It appears the protests may have been scheduled for April 26th, as the announcement asked for people who had already made plans, to switch them to 19 April. The protests on the 19th are scheduled as follows:



  1. 1500-1800hrs, 19 April 2008, at the Bundestag, Platz der Republik, Berlin
  2. 1300-1500hrs, 19 April 2008, two routes (from Talie – Hotel de Ville – Bastille) or (Republique – Bastille – Hotel de Ville –Bastille, Paris
  3. 1100-1500hrs, 19 April 2008, Downing Street outside of Whitehall, England
  4. (No time given) 19 April 2008, Amsterdam, Holland

The protests appear to be well organized, with the coordination of donations, banners, flags, T-shirts…etc. While it is of course impossible to tell how widespread the demonstrations will be, an online keyword search, using Chinese, did produce several hundred hits.


To coincide with the European protests, several Chinese hacker groups are calling for a DDOS attack on the CNN website to begin at 8:00pm on 19 April 2008. While only three websites have openly posted about this attack, my guess is that many more calls are going on behind closed doors.


The first screen shot below calls for an attack similar to the Sino-US hacker war.



Could not get the web page for Tianya to open but it clearly calls for a DDOS attack on the CNN website to begin at 8:00 pm (Beijing time) on 19 April 2008.

1,首先,各方面条件准备充分后,预计4天后,于北京时间2008年4月19号,晚上8点,针对于www.cnn.com进行DDOS攻击!3小时以上! 2 ,初期,一切针对于反对中国,挑起中国内部战争的网站,全部是打击目标(视个人情况而定) 3,攻击后,挂上黑页!做好警告!然后保留下攻击的网站,黑页的截图! 我们进行舆论宣传!(将攻击的内容,截图,页面,最好是打包!然后发送群共享或者邮箱fuchouhuoyan007@126.com) 4,中后期,开始整理,一些大点的站!个人拿站遇到问题的,大家一起讨论!一起攻克! 5,本群为技术共享群!计划2个星期解散!相信我们一起努力!会用我们的行动来告诫那些企图来分裂我中国的组织或国家!中国人不是懦夫!

Tibet Freedom Fighters Keep Up Protests-Word To China...This Is Not Just an Internal Matter-Your World Standing Depends On You Leaving Tibet

In breaking news, fresh protests have broken out in a direct defiance of China and its GOON PATROL...look for the Ice Queen to hit the airwaves momentarily to once again tell the world Tibet is and Internal Issue.

Tibetan protesters defy police crackdown in western China



This article appeared in the Guardian on Saturday April 19 2008 on p22 of the International section. It was last updated at 00:13 on April 19 2008.

Fresh Tibetan protests have broken out in Qinghai, western China, despite the heavy security presence, residents and activist groups said yesterday.


The groups said police had beaten and detained monks and others who were calling for the release of protesters held after demonstrations last month.


The Tibetan Center for Human Rights and Democracy - based in north India, at the seat of the Tibetan government-in-exile - claimed that more than 100 lamas, and others from Tongren (also known as Rebkong), were detained on Thursday.


Tongren hotel staff confirmed that a demonstration had taken place.


"Today there's no more protests. Those people were all seized," one receptionist said.


A woman at another hotel put the number of protesters in the dozens and said that police had imposed a curfew.


One Tibetan restaurant worker said the police had randomly beaten people and that the monastery was now sealed off.


Protests are thought to have broken out in Tongren in February, a month before the riots in Lhasa. They reignited on March 16 as protests spread across Tibetan areas following the actions of about 100 monks who climbed a hillside above the monastery, burned incense and set off fireworks, while riot police assembled outside.


Around half of China's six million Tibetans live outside the Tibetan Autonomous Region, many in Tongren.


Yesterday, Yasuo Fukuda, Japan's prime minister, urged the Chinese foreign minister, Yang Jiechi - who was on a visit to Tokyo - to start a dialogue with Tibetans and to be more open about the crackdown. Yang said Tibet was a domestic matter.


A major Japanese Buddhist temple also withdrew from hosting the Olympic torch relay next week, citing both safety concerns and sympathy. One of its officials, Shinsho Wakaomi, told a press conference: "Zenkoji is a Buddhist temple. Naturally, we are concerned about Tibet."


Around 2,000 police officers will guard the flame as it travels through Bangkok today. Police vans will also travel alongside in case the torch carriers need to jump inside for safety.


Samak Sundaravej, the prime minister, said protesters had no reason to disrupt the relay. Officials warned that any foreign activists would be deported.


A coalition of human rights groups and other activists said they would protest outside the UN headquarters in Bangkok.


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